Awww. My language experiments might've steered me into trouble. :( Sorry if it sounded a little too harsh; I didn't mean to hurt anybody's feelings.
Now on to the subject.
Don't get too much faith in power of "Please do not give out my e-mail address". I check it on each and every site I visit, and still my hotmail account gets more and more spam each day (I intended it to be spam-account though... but still). And that account isn't mentioned on any webpage or newsgroup, so it couldn't be discovered by a spambot.
And they CHARGE you for the right to show their banners/popups/send spam to your listeners?!? Now THAT's an ultimate impudence!
For $75 (i.e. add just extra $25 to their usual DSL package), you can get Yahoo DSL with 1mbps out / 2mbps in (that's what we've got at our office). Should be enough for 16 listeners at least.
There's a freeware broadcasting tool (can't recall the name right now; you can easily find it on Google) that works just like any p2p network: you stream out just about 3 streams; the rest of the clients get those streams re-broadcasted by other clients. Thus, _your_ bandwidth stops playing any important role; the more people listen to you, the higher virtual bandwidth you get.
Quote of the day:
Eager people seek opportunities; passive people seek excuses.
You're forgiven from my end, but I'm more worried about Butters'. Apologize to her.
Now, in rebutal...
1. That still leaves the venues of having Hotmail "attacked" to find valid e-mail address, and you need to check to see if your friends have given out your e-mail address.
2. Yes, they charge and they still serve ads. I don't like it much either, but it's either I pay more to remove 'em (75 dollars a month for ad-free broadcasting and no need to use the Live365 page at all to listen; sorry, I work and live in Chicago as lowly tech' support peon and can't afford it), or have the end user deal with a few ads to get to the audio stream. Again, they don't have to use the default Live365 player. If you have the stream fire up in Winamp, you can shut down your web browser and continue to listen ad-free.
3. That does sound a bit more reasonable, but I've heard way too many complaints from DSL subscribers though. How long have you been using their service and how's the tech' support? Seriously, I want to know. I've been itching to switch broadcast providers if I can get a good deal and good service.
4. I'm assuming you mean PeerCast. While I do admit it sounds like a lovely program, listeners would have to download a plug-in to have it configured to relay it to other users. There fact makes it sound like there's a bit of a learning curve to set it up, and using Live365 makes it relatively simple. Also I don't think it's not acceptable at some places (like places of business and school where they monitor and block suspicious network traffic) to run a P2P broadcast (let alone install the software needed; The restriction of the workstations at my work are anal, but the less software that's installed, the easier it is to service.)
1. Hotmail claims they have all these nifty site-wide spam-protection features; so supposedly it should block such a scan attempts. Besides, let me offer you one simple trick: when signing up at some website, or for snail mail catalogs, etc, make a single mistake in the spelling of your name; on each site a different one. It doesn't really hurt, because you can always claim that _they_ misspelled your name somehow; but the advantage it gives you is, you can always tell who exactly sold your address out. Just match the misspelled name on the envelope with your list of how exactly you misspelled your name at each particular company.
2. Well, it's out of my business actually, but let me disbeleive you. One can always squeese out extra $50 or so; it's only a matter of saving on simple things (and willingness to do so, too). No Starbucks coffee; less driving and more public transportation; going to movies less frequently or not going at all, etc etc. Though again, it's out of my business, so I'm not gonna discuss it here. I only have to note that it works for me pretty well.
3. It's hard to evaluate customer service. Maybe they're amazing to serve a homewife type of user, but as soon as they encounter a knowlegeable person, they fail miserably. For one instance, Earthlink customer support kept insisting that something is wrong on my side even after I determined that the trouble is somewhere at the exchange. "No no, your modem is bad, we send you a replacement". Still doesn't work. Two weeks later, "We're really sorry, it turns out that somebody improperly re-routed wires in the switchbox on our side. -- Damn you, I told you that within first ten seconds of my call!!!" Outcome quite positive though, next month of service free and a free cable modem, too. :) Same thing for Yahoo DSL, "Guys, you gave us these IPs saying they're our static IPs, but I can ping them even with all my equipmenty off; therefore, I can't use them because some other computer is using them. You have to reconfigure this-and-this. -- Nah, you have trouble with your computer, ....... Damn, the procedure I have in my book doesn't work, we need to check, call next week... (next week) ...We're sorry, we gave you addresses from the wrong pool... -- Damn, that was the first thing I told you!!!"
4. Strict netowrk environments usually block ALL types of streaming content, and even some websites, so you can't listen to audio streams in such an environments anyway; so what's the difference? And, where's the once famous American spirit of independence? Yes independence comes at a price, but I still beleive it's worth to rule your site yourself than to let some abusive company host it.
Just let me tell you the whole story real quick, so you have a better understanding of my feelings.
www.livejournal.com. Friends. Butterscotch has got a broadcast channel. Wow, why not take a looksie? Checking URL shown in the status line at the bottom of the window. Hmm. www.365radio.com. Never heard; is that just a station directory or do they stram from their servers too?.. Let's see. Click.
"365radio wants to set up a cookie." Deny. "Another cookie". Deny. "3rd" Deny . "4th" Deny . ... "7th." DENY FROM THIS SITE ONCE AND FOREVER, DAMN YOU!!! Popup window. "You have to enable cookies." @#$!.. I only wanted to LISTEN to the music! Edit->Preferences->Cookie Manager-> Allow cookies from www.365radio.com. Reload.
Popup window. Banner. Block banners from this site. Play button. Click. Another banner. Block images from this site too. Oh finally, looks like a Winamp playlist. Play with Winamp. Buffering... 0%... 1%... 2%... (5 minutes later) 100%... playing... (narrator's voice in Dolby Surround:) "Welcome to our site! To listen to this music stream, please go to www.365radio.com and register for free blah blah blah blah blah......."@#$#$#$#$#$#@$#$@@@!!!!!!!!!
Ok guys, Enough! I'm getting really tired of this rant in my LJ. I'm friends with you both, and I can see where you both are coming from on this. Let's play nice now and drop this, ok? Thank you.
Wesha - Apology accepted. If you don't want to deal with the stuff Live 365 puts on your computer, that is your choice.
Ash - I can understand how even the $14.95 a month can hurt one's wallet. Trust me, I know. We do the best we can with what is available.
So can we all be friends now? Please? Pretty please?
*batts her pretty vixen eyelashes in hopes it might calm things down between two of her RL friends*
Yeah.. on point number one there, I definatly have gotten mail from live365 though I checked the opt-out box. It doesn't work. For the person paying the bill, you don'/t get any spam, but me.. I get plenty of it to a seeded account. live365-email@.....org .. it's definatly getting plenty of mail, and is only set up for l365.
Sorry, Butter. Til they stop selling my name against their policy, I won't use their service
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Sorry if it sounded a little too harsh; I didn't mean to hurt anybody's feelings.
Now on to the subject.
Quote of the day:
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Now, in rebutal...
1. That still leaves the venues of having Hotmail "attacked" to find valid e-mail address, and you need to check to see if your friends have given out your e-mail address.
2. Yes, they charge and they still serve ads. I don't like it much either, but it's either I pay more to remove 'em (75 dollars a month for ad-free broadcasting and no need to use the Live365 page at all to listen; sorry, I work and live in Chicago as lowly tech' support peon and can't afford it), or have the end user deal with a few ads to get to the audio stream. Again, they don't have to use the default Live365 player. If you have the stream fire up in Winamp, you can shut down your web browser and continue to listen ad-free.
3. That does sound a bit more reasonable, but I've heard way too many complaints from DSL subscribers though. How long have you been using their service and how's the tech' support? Seriously, I want to know. I've been itching to switch broadcast providers if I can get a good deal and good service.
4. I'm assuming you mean PeerCast. While I do admit it sounds like a lovely program, listeners would have to download a plug-in to have it configured to relay it to other users. There fact makes it sound like there's a bit of a learning curve to set it up, and using Live365 makes it relatively simple. Also I don't think it's not acceptable at some places (like places of business and school where they monitor and block suspicious network traffic) to run a P2P broadcast (let alone install the software needed; The restriction of the workstations at my work are anal, but the less software that's installed, the easier it is to service.)
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2. Well, it's out of my business actually, but let me disbeleive you. One can always squeese out extra $50 or so; it's only a matter of saving on simple things (and willingness to do so, too). No Starbucks coffee; less driving and more public transportation; going to movies less frequently or not going at all, etc etc. Though again, it's out of my business, so I'm not gonna discuss it here. I only have to note that it works for me pretty well.
3. It's hard to evaluate customer service. Maybe they're amazing to serve a homewife type of user, but as soon as they encounter a knowlegeable person, they fail miserably. For one instance, Earthlink customer support kept insisting that something is wrong on my side even after I determined that the trouble is somewhere at the exchange. "No no, your modem is bad, we send you a replacement". Still doesn't work. Two weeks later, "We're really sorry, it turns out that somebody improperly re-routed wires in the switchbox on our side. -- Damn you, I told you that within first ten seconds of my call!!!" Outcome quite positive though, next month of service free and a free cable modem, too. :) Same thing for Yahoo DSL, "Guys, you gave us these IPs saying they're our static IPs, but I can ping them even with all my equipmenty off; therefore, I can't use them because some other computer is using them. You have to reconfigure this-and-this. -- Nah, you have trouble with your computer, ....... Damn, the procedure I have in my book doesn't work, we need to check, call next week... (next week) ...We're sorry, we gave you addresses from the wrong pool... -- Damn, that was the first thing I told you!!!"
4. Strict netowrk environments usually block ALL types of streaming content, and even some websites, so you can't listen to audio streams in such an environments anyway; so what's the difference? And, where's the once famous American spirit of independence? Yes independence comes at a price, but I still beleive it's worth to rule your site yourself than to let some abusive company host it.
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"365radio wants to set up a cookie." Deny. "Another cookie". Deny. "3rd" Deny . "4th" Deny . ... "7th." DENY FROM THIS SITE ONCE AND FOREVER, DAMN YOU!!! Popup window. "You have to enable cookies." @#$!.. I only wanted to LISTEN to the music! Edit->Preferences->Cookie Manager-> Allow cookies from www.365radio.com. Reload.
Popup window. Banner. Block banners from this site. Play button. Click. Another banner. Block images from this site too. Oh finally, looks like a Winamp playlist. Play with Winamp. Buffering... 0%... 1%... 2%... (5 minutes later) 100%... playing... (narrator's voice in Dolby Surround:) "Welcome to our site! To listen to this music stream, please go to www.365radio.com and register for free blah blah blah blah blah......." @#$#$#$#$#$#@$#$@@@!!!!!!!!!
Now ain't I pissed off?
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Ok guys, Enough! I'm getting really tired of this rant in my LJ. I'm friends with you both, and I can see where you both are coming from on this. Let's play nice now and drop this, ok? Thank you.
Wesha - Apology accepted. If you don't want to deal with the stuff Live 365 puts on your computer, that is your choice.
Ash - I can understand how even the $14.95 a month can hurt one's wallet. Trust me, I know. We do the best we can with what is available.
So can we all be friends now? Please? Pretty please?
*batts her pretty vixen eyelashes in hopes it might calm things down between two of her RL friends*
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*hugs* *cuddles* *nuzzles* You won. =^.^=
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Sorry, Butter. Til they stop selling my name against their policy, I won't use their service
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I'll follow ya :)
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I'll be sure to let you know if and when that happens. Thanks!